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‘more exactly’? how much more exact can exact be? what is the step up from exact? ok… sorry, couldn’t HEP MUHSELF ! (i nevah.) Actually, "more exactly" means something like "closer to the exact thing, than I’ve already said" – and is quite valid. Sit and spin. G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think cause tends to be multi-faceted. There is a growing and considerable body of evidence to suggest genetic origin to anxiety disorders. i KNEW my friggin’ mother had sumthin ta do with this shit too. (figgers) As to anxiety itself – anxiety IS an emotion, much like jealousy, joy, sadness, rage, elation, etc… how ya figger "I’M DUNNA DIE, I’M HAVIN’ A HEART ATTACK, I CAN HEAR MY BLOOD PRESSURE RISIN’, PLEASE DON’T TELL ANYONE I’M DEAD I’LL BE SO EMBARRASSED, PUT ‘I TOLD YOU GUYS I WASN’T FEELIN’ SO FUCKIN’ HOT’ ON MY TOMBSTONE" and my skin is comin off muh bones in strips and THA ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE ME IS TA SEE GARY’S FACE WHEN I TURN OVER AFTER HE’S DONE SMASHIN’ MY FACE IN A PILLOW" ta be emotions? it all feels more physical ta me. i vote fer physical and SAVIN’ TANYA ! Obviously some people’s anxiety disorders are certainly due to underlying emotional problems, but i got more emotional problems than carter has little liver pills’n i never have a panic attack when deal with that shit, i just get pissed and wanna kill people… but i don’t panic unless i think about endin’ up with a knife at’ah gun fight. and usually more exactly ‘more exactly’? how much more exact can exact be? what is the step up from exact? ok… sorry, couldn’t HEP MUHSELF ! (i nevah.) (i hate when people say stuff ‘almost precisely’ like that, ‘almost always’ i do. i’m ‘75% positive’ i do. i’m ’sure, in a questioning’ way… it’s ‘maybe definite, possibly’. i’m ‘almost absolutely real close ta positive’, in fact. < the way they deal with their "problems of emotions". i call my friend and annoy him’s now i do it. i figger i’ll feel better if i make him more miserable than me. i for SURE think MAYBE it’s on his last nerve, but i’m hard ta get rid of, i’m like a slight case of temporary genital herpes. ok… i’m gonna stop, (startin’ now), doin’ that word manipulation thing, it’s buggin’ me. I’d kinda like to have an "elation disorder", but they don’t seem to have that – why is that anyway? if YOU want it why’s it matter if THEY have it? it’s all part’ah sharin’, huh…. awwwww… (maybe viagra’s responsible for the swift kick in tha ‘elation disorders’ ass.) hell… blame it on jack…elation eliminatin’ bitch, he is! All that having been said, I’m really not that big on etiologies; don’t them bugs have like 19 eyes? I’m much more interested in the treatment and/or cure for problems. oh good… i got’ah pillow handy. she shoots, she SCORESSSS !!!! To be fair, it does help considerably in solving a problem if one knows it’s origin. i think ta be fair, the origin is generally in ONE of yer parent’s womb. (i won’t say which one) i like ta keep ya guessin’. We can talk all day long at 150 bucks an hour well i bet we could ! damn… talk ain’t cheap. that’s like 6 blowjobs in tha mission district. tell ME tha better value. oh, and how much i owe ya? i’ll email yer check on tuesday. about WHY you’re anxious, but if we don’t spend some time on formulating and executing a strategy like ::reload:: ? for you to undertake, how much improvement are you likely to show? i suppose one should opt for a clip full’ah hollah points’n one in tha chamber. that’s a pretty tight strategy in my book. purdy fool-proof. I submit WAITTTT !!!!!!! how come YOU always get’ah submit. :-/ < the answer to that is "not that much". well a LOT, then. you should learn ta take turns. This is why cognitive behavioral therapy has become the therapy of choice for most, as opposed to "psychoanalysis", which tends to look at origin, but not at strategy/implementation. them psychoanalysts have strategy. three words: "take this pill." If someone’s anxiety level is too high (or too low for that matter), they are not well-prepared for "optimal" learning ain’t that subjective or they make a thermometer fer that. – an essential component of any effective therapy. i agree. thermometers are essential if strategically placed… subjectively. (well, that’s my story’n i’m stickin’ to it.) Medicating overly high anxiety levels is sometimes necessary in order to start any therapy project, ’specially that CBT project… medication is a decent choice for that venue, yeah. (ow????) just so the patient can absorb new information and focus reasonably well. (i ain’t touchin’ that’n) "We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues." AMEN ! i say rely on lube. always. consistent, cost effective, dependable, and ya don’t gotta leave home ta have access to it. a) What types of issues? oh…. yer talkin’ ta that guy that feigns verbosity ta cover his inconsistencies, blanket statements that are obviously generalized based on his own personal experience. that guys that thinks ya can’t smell shit if plant roses in it. ok… now i’m up ta speed. issues emanate from a specific source. ya reckon he could be a bit more…. VAGUE? his mere repetition of this vague term suggests he either has no clue what his symptoms conclude, maybe he HAS no symptoms or is pretending ta be enlightened, hopin’ nobody’ll notice his avoidance (which may, in itself, be his ‘issue’.) could be he’s passive aggressive as a means to avoid bein’ pin-pointed and interrogated on a specific level he is uninformed about. passive aggression is also an issue of specificity in and of itself. it’s a poor but effective (for some agendas) form of communication as it gives his audience so much wiggle room that it’s safe. alotta blanks left unfilled in gives him the power to fill them in as he see’s fit, systematically and progressively manufacturing the hero he has a desire to become. he’s safe that his ignorance of the real source, or even the possibility that he will be exposed as being unaware of the source will result in revelation. it is, at the same time, insulting to those he’s addressing. i am speaking to you, Gary, OF him as if he were in the room hearing me blatantly discuss him while giving the ’strategic illusion’ that i may or may not be speaking about him, rendering him helpless to come to his own defense. i have given myself space to retort if he does choose to defend with a demeaning: "i was speaking of a friend" which now leaves him even MORE defenseless. i’ve created MORE room to build the foundation for a hapless endeavor unavailable for infiltration based on the possibility that i am not speaking of him based on discluding crucial information. the passive aggressor depends fully on what he does NOT say to gain control and power. his goal at this point would be solicitation, a means to convince ME i’m speaking of him, (which i’ve made impossible) and in the process of his attempts i’ve now manipulated him to BEG me, virtually, to know he knows it’s him but again, you cannot tag even the obvious on what is not available, what is not there, what is not said, space created thru avoidence. thus, he’s now positioning himself to unwittingly ‘call himself out’ but now with no way out. he’s been cornered to respond to questioning he otherwise may have avoided without my own passive aggressive display dismissing/eliminating his. i took his weapon away. i took away his game unfairly, with malice, no spirit of goodness. in fact, i have cornered him into an even MORE vulnerable position. he can never put his finger on the fact (as we all know it) that i was underhanded and cannot be reckoned with, there is no redemption in nothingness, even though it screams louder than the articulated word. i have been devoid of specifics, facts, concrete evidence that would make his case. CHECKMATE ! i presume this behavior is 2nd nature, something he’s so accustomed to that he has become adept by virtue of dependence on this armour. he’s possibly unaware of this forum he has subconsciously subscribed to, a way to remain guarded and powerful. to save face he must now face his audience and be on the chopping block he soooo tried to avoid, risking persecution of his lack of knowledge he attempted so vigorously to hide. it’s frustrating to deal with passive aggression. the recipient of the above example of PA behavior is in no position to respond or offer any information that resulted in the observation that he was, is, indeed the topic of this forum. there is no information to offer, it is non-existent by design. there will always be space in my preceeding presentation for him to be systematically ‘possibly’ eliminated at my whim. (i decide as we go how to fill in the blanks to serve my agenda), as the ‘target’ even though we ALL know who i’m speaking of. it’s shamefully clear. i’ve rendered him helpless to serve his own needs to control, manipulate, and… i win by default of my own creation. my approach here is very passive aggressive, so i KNOW passive aggression. it’s a cop-out in it’s purest form. don’t you think he would agree? (do i always gotta DRIVE HOME A POINT?) i hate that about me. b) On what do you base the "clearly doesn’t work" i’m thinkin’ "clearly doesn’t work" kinda says it all for ANY occasion… especially when freshness counts tha most. part of that
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no matter what is resultant from the emotion of anxiety via symptomatology, it is and always will be nothing more than an emotion. See websters. G Money
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think cause tends to be multi-faceted. There is a growing and considerable body of evidence to suggest genetic origin to anxiety disorders. i KNEW my friggin’ mother had sumthin ta do with this shit too. (figgers) As to anxiety itself – anxiety IS an emotion, much like jealousy, joy, sadness, rage, elation, etc… how ya figger "I’M DUNNA DIE, I’M HAVIN’ A HEART ATTACK, I CAN HEAR MY BLOOD PRESSURE RISIN’, PLEASE DON’T TELL ANYONE I’M DEAD I’LL BE SO EMBARRASSED, PUT ‘I TOLD YOU GUYS I WASN’T FEELIN’ SO FUCKIN’ HOT’ ON MY TOMBSTONE" and my skin is comin off muh bones in strips and THA ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE ME IS TA SEE GARY’S FACE WHEN I TURN OVER AFTER HE’S DONE SMASHIN’ MY FACE IN A PILLOW" ta be emotions? it all feels more physical ta me. i vote fer physical and SAVIN’ TANYA ! Obviously some people’s anxiety disorders are certainly due to underlying emotional problems, but i got more emotional problems than carter has little liver pills’n i never have a panic attack when deal with that shit, i just get pissed and wanna kill people… but i don’t panic unless i think about endin’ up with a knife at’ah gun fight. and usually more exactly ‘more exactly’? how much more exact can exact be? what is the step up from exact? ok… sorry, couldn’t HEP MUHSELF ! (i nevah.) (i hate when people say stuff ‘almost precisely’ like that, ‘almost always’ i do. i’m ‘75% positive’ i do. i’m ’sure, in a questioning’ way… it’s ‘maybe definite, possibly’. i’m ‘almost absolutely real close ta positive’, in fact. < the way they deal with their "problems of emotions". i call my friend and annoy him’s now i do it. i figger i’ll feel better if i make him more miserable than me. i for SURE think MAYBE it’s on his last nerve, but i’m hard ta get rid of, i’m like a slight case of temporary genital herpes. ok… i’m gonna stop, (startin’ now), doin’ that word manipulation thing, it’s buggin’ me. I’d kinda like to have an "elation disorder", but they don’t seem to have that – why is that anyway? if YOU want it why’s it matter if THEY have it? it’s all part’ah sharin’, huh…. awwwww… (maybe viagra’s responsible for the swift kick in tha ‘elation disorders’ ass.) hell… blame it on jack…elation eliminatin’ bitch, he is! All that having been said, I’m really not that big on etiologies; don’t them bugs have like 19 eyes? I’m much more interested in the treatment and/or cure for problems. oh good… i got’ah pillow handy. she shoots, she SCORESSSS !!!! To be fair, it does help considerably in solving a problem if one knows it’s origin. i think ta be fair, the origin is generally in ONE of yer parent’s womb. (i won’t say which one) i like ta keep ya guessin’. We can talk all day long at 150 bucks an hour well i bet we could ! damn… talk ain’t cheap. that’s like 6 blowjobs in tha mission district. tell ME tha better value. oh, and how much i owe ya? i’ll email yer check on tuesday. about WHY you’re anxious, but if we don’t spend some time on formulating and executing a strategy like ::reload:: ? for you to undertake, how much improvement are you likely to show? i suppose one should opt for a clip full’ah hollah points’n one in tha chamber. that’s a pretty tight strategy in my book. purdy fool-proof. I submit WAITTTT !!!!!!! how come YOU always get’ah submit. :-/ < the answer to that is "not that much". well a LOT, then. you should learn ta take turns. This is why cognitive behavioral therapy has become the therapy of choice for most, as opposed to "psychoanalysis", which tends to look at origin, but not at strategy/implementation. them psychoanalysts have strategy. three words: "take this pill." If someone’s anxiety level is too high (or too low for that matter), they are not well-prepared for "optimal" learning ain’t that subjective or they make a thermometer fer that. – an essential component of any effective therapy. i agree. thermometers are essential if strategically placed… subjectively. (well, that’s my story’n i’m stickin’ to it.) Medicating overly high anxiety levels is sometimes necessary in order to start any therapy project, ’specially that CBT project… medication is a decent choice for that venue, yeah. (ow????) just so the patient can absorb new information and focus reasonably well. (i ain’t touchin’ that’n) "We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues." AMEN ! i say rely on lube. always. consistent, cost effective, dependable, and ya don’t gotta leave home ta have access to it. a) What types of issues? oh…. yer talkin’ ta that guy that feigns verbosity ta cover his inconsistencies, blanket statements that are obviously generalized based on his own personal experience. that guys that thinks ya can’t smell shit if plant roses in it. ok… now i’m up ta speed. issues emanate from a specific source. ya reckon he could be a bit more…. VAGUE? his mere repetition of this vague term suggests he either has no clue what his symptoms conclude, maybe he HAS no symptoms or is pretending ta be enlightened, hopin’ nobody’ll notice his avoidance (which may, in itself, be his ‘issue’.) could be he’s passive aggressive as a means to avoid bein’ pin-pointed and interrogated on a specific level he is uninformed about. passive aggression is also an issue of specificity in and of itself. it’s a poor but effective (for some agendas) form of communication as it gives his audience so much wiggle room that it’s safe. alotta blanks left unfilled in gives him the power to fill them in as he see’s fit, systematically and progressively manufacturing the hero he has a desire to become. he’s safe that his ignorance of the real source, or even the possibility that he will be exposed as being unaware of the source will result in revelation. it is, at the same time, insulting to those he’s addressing. i am speaking to you, Gary, OF him as if he were in the room hearing me blatantly discuss him while giving the ’strategic illusion’ that i may or may not be speaking about him, rendering him helpless to come to his own defense. i have given myself space to retort if he does choose to defend with a demeaning: "i was speaking of a friend" which now leaves him even MORE defenseless. i’ve created MORE room to build the foundation for a hapless endeavor unavailable for infiltration based on the possibility that i am not speaking of him based on discluding crucial information. the passive aggressor depends fully on what he does NOT say to gain control and power. his goal at this point would be solicitation, a means to convince ME i’m speaking of him, (which i’ve made impossible) and in the process of his attempts i’ve now manipulated him to BEG me, virtually, to know he knows it’s him but again, you cannot tag even the obvious on what is not available, what is not there, what is not said, space created thru avoidence. thus, he’s now positioning himself to unwittingly ‘call himself out’ but now with no way out. he’s been cornered to respond to questioning he otherwise may have avoided without my own passive aggressive display dismissing/eliminating his. i took his weapon away. i took away his game unfairly, with malice, no spirit of goodness. in fact, i have cornered him into an even MORE vulnerable position. he can never put his finger on the fact (as we all know it) that i was underhanded and cannot be reckoned with, there is no redemption in nothingness, even though it screams louder than the articulated word. i have been devoid of specifics, facts, concrete evidence that would make his case. CHECKMATE ! i presume this behavior is 2nd nature, something he’s so accustomed to that he has become adept by virtue of dependence on this armour. he’s possibly unaware of this forum he has subconsciously subscribed to, a way to remain guarded and powerful. to save face he must now face his audience and be on the chopping block he soooo tried to avoid, risking persecution of his lack of knowledge he attempted so vigorously to hide. it’s frustrating to deal with passive aggression. the recipient of the above example of PA behavior is in no position to respond or offer any information that resulted in the observation that he was, is, indeed the topic of this forum. there is no information to offer, it is non-existent by design. there will always be space in my preceeding presentation for him to be systematically ‘possibly’ eliminated at my whim. (i decide as we go how to fill in the blanks to serve my agenda), as the ‘target’ even though we ALL know who i’m speaking of. it’s shamefully clear. i’ve rendered him helpless to serve his own needs to control, manipulate, and… i win by default of my own creation. my approach here is very passive aggressive, so i KNOW passive aggression. it’s a cop-out in it’s purest form. don’t you think he would agree? (do i always gotta DRIVE HOME A POINT?) i hate that about me. b) On what do you base the "clearly doesn’t work" i’m thinkin’ "clearly doesn’t work" kinda says it all for ANY occasion… especially when freshness counts tha most. part of that sentence? ohohoh, we’re back ta him. i get so confused. again, "clearly doesn’t work" is devoid of information
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"underlying as opposed to….. what?" obvious Bam; G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With respect – I don’t believe this is good advice. why ya gotta say yer respectin’ what ya don’t even believe is good? and HARLEY???? is that YOUUUUUU????? with a vocabulary????? I don’t see drugs or, for that matter, (‘for that matter’ is unnecessary’n i don’t trust boys that cram in extra words ta look smart.) Psychiatrists that’d be ‘psychiatrists’… they don’t get’ah CAP. as the answer to this particular (yer doin’ that crammin’ extra word in crap agin "particularrrrrr" is unnecessary !!!!… STOPPIT ! yer makin’ me panic.) problems. I believe there is almost always almost always? please explain how often that is. (and be ‘kinda sure’ about it) an underlying emotional reason for anxiety. underlying as opposed to….. what? oooooooookie dokie, hot shot. you done went’n figgered out what researchers that probly have a LIL more extensive information than you do about the anatomy of a brain (or an emotion, whatever)… they probly even have a brain cell… (so they’re 2 up on ya already) have been tryin’ ta figger out for years. this phenomenon is inexplicible, becoming accepted as a physical as well as psychological disorder worthy of research. i guess if they can get away with sayin’ mary was’ah virgin when she got preggers with JC they can get away with acceptin’ panic as immaculate also. and bless their pea-pickin’ hearts ! (they used ta think it was all in yer head… HAHAHAHA) so why doncha g’on off’n tell us how to reach this holy grail yer so intune with, cuz i guar-onnnn-teeeeeee there ain’t a one of us here that wouldn’t give ya all our stuff we own ta know THIS breakthrough’s path to tha cure. oh, while yer at it, could you explain ta me how lizards turn different colors and why no two snowflakes are alike and who tha hell looked at every single snowflake to enable that observation? oh hell… just tell me tha answers ta ALL tha mysteries in life. (can i call ya daddy?) Long term use of psychoactive drugs are a dead end. livin yer life is a dead end. so? wanna do it comfy or with pain and do you take any meds at all? please bust up in tha dialysis unit tomorrow mornin’ and tell them people ta "GET THA FUCK UP OFF THEM MACHINES, THEY’RE DEAD ENDS, just drink more beer." in my opinion, they only serve to numb your emotions. oh good god. (they should hand ‘em out at chick flicks based on that theory) Yes they may do well to see you through a tough time here and there, but for recurring problems (like this man’s – and mine!) they are only a band-aid. translation: go thru tuff times with’ah dazzling smile. do NOT use tha resources available, that would be unfathomable. ::tossin’ muh ‘hello kitty band-aids::…. LET’ER BLEEEEEEEEED ! We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues. ok AGIN, tuff guy…. try tellin’ me my xanax don’t work. you dunno. you ain’t livin’ at my house. so don’t speak in generalities and if they don’t work for you, maybe you should take more. then more. more is better. maybe they don’t work cuz yer past tha point of no return, cuz you ain’t got tha sense ta pee in a boot’n throw it out tha window. (with respect, of course). There’s a ton of info about anxiety out there now, with real insight about these EMOTIONAL (not psychological, or biological) BINGO ! yer makin’ observations based on what you believe YOUR issues are. well, Einstein… mine ain’t been narrowed down to emotions yet, i ain’t hip ta THAT bandwagon, or i’d be jumpin’ on it, duuuuuuude….. cuz where i live they ain’t discovered from whence any form of anxiety (panic included) originates. i KNEW i should’ah moved ta yer house… alabama ain’t progressive.! (i KNOW ya didn’t discover this enlightening info in utah, they’re all morons.) OOPS ! that would be MORMONS… scratch that utah reference. oh, you gotta cure for jerry’s kids? they been waitin’ an awful long time’n jerry ain’t lookin’ so hot. get on that’n, ok? we’ll appoint you his replacement. you can be like tha vice-jerry-zident cuz you know shit nobody else does you should go inta the televangelism industry, no shit. <HEALLLLLLLLL !!!!! Here’s an example: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/emotional_psychological_trauma.html why you here? why you have panic? you got that website mojo goin’ on, ya see. i’m thinkin’ i’m wonderin’ why this crap ain’t… WORKIN’ FOR YA ! you just motivated me ta type the stupidest shit ever one MORE time, i gotta stop readin’ you holier’n-thou folk’s posts. i’m startin’ ta feel like a move ta utah is in order. oh wait… MORRRRMONNNNN !!! (nebbermind.) ::bangin head on keyboard:: got no walkin’ around sense’n now i up’n prove it once agin, i’m mad at you.) Take care! STOP ENDORSIN’ MEDICAL PRODUCTS ! take’ah shot’ah jose’. ~tanya
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I DO wanna know more about the magazine stuff tho, so Tanya, you can email me about THAT if there’s something that I may be able to contribute.
i did, you didn’t respond. probly cuz you don’t like havin’ convos via email.
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You said whatcha said and that’s that.
and ya do whacha do and ya see whacha saw and ya love tha one ya wake up in a fog with at Motel 6. You live with it; and I’m quite sure you can.
‘live with it’? sounds like you’ve projected a tad of regret in muh heart. if i ever find this newsgroup so important that it worries me, my life will be too empty to fill up’ah shot glass. shoot me, please. I’d rather have fun!ELLLLLLiiiiiiiiiOTTTTTTT !!!! i think you weren’t thinkin’ like i was when i complained about posting that, which is pissin me off cuz i think you should be livin’ in my head 24/7. it was a "crap, i’ll never get this puter shit right, this heavy machinery is still impossible for me after 8 years. NOT that it was posted, (although i do gots more ta say). and i understand if you don’t interact with international superhighway participants, many have that view. i don’t. after my Brother’’s suicide, this became my social life, i couldn’t go out in public which was weird, cuz i had an outside venue business, i pierced in forums outside my shop 5 days a week, did seminars once a month around the country, participated in conventions at least 4 times a year, and i couldn’t even go into my own shops after that event and i’ve met tons off people offline. i met them offline to maybe get back into real life by fakin’ myself out that i wasn’t really leaving my house, i was meeting someone in cyberspace, so i have tons of friends from online. this is sad, ain’t it. that my life was lived online. i’m such’ah luzer. (lord)
i bet ole BluezMa’s shittin’ her britches bout now cuz she HATES me talkin’ about my life online, so i’m even more motivated ta ramble cuz i love annoyin’ people with what they despise, i think it brings ‘em closer to me, so wanna hear all about my bird? i got tons of stories about my campin’ trips too. HEY ! i got stories about peein’ in bushes at the washington monument too ! i am here to please…. uhhhh, i mean annoy. you assumin’ i don’t have fun with Gary? well, dear Elliott, perhaps you have never encountered our Gary, he’s a HOOT ! i DO have fun with him, i’m marryin’ him in june. actually, i have fun doin’ everything cuz i’ve chosen to take that stance with every little thing i do in my life. i have fun brushing my teeth cuz i got a vibrating Barney toothbrush, and i dance around and sing the Barney song and i even have fun flushin’ tha terlet, cuz i gotta song i sing when the water’s goin’ round’n round’n round. and unbelievably, my boyfriends have loved it, cuz they were real stick in tha muds, i always end up with professional dudes that have an "image" to project and protect so’s they tolerate my immaturity. see? i’m doin’ it agin, pissin her off, ya reckon? HAHAHAHA.. (i’ll give ya odds she’s singin’ tha barney song to a terlet flush as we speak tho) i ALWAYS gotta do dorky shit i hear about or see other people do ta see what it feels like. i always wear my steel toed boots on the wrong feet when i first get’em cuz i think it feels funny. you should try that. and i always ask tha pilot if i can sit in tha jump seat when i fly so’s i can see out tha front window and they gimme wings’n a hat’n barf bags’n stuff. so MARRY ME, COME FLY WIMME ! one guy gave me his hat. and the funeral supply co. i order my large ga needles from gimme formaldahyde so’s my friend that owns a mortuary can send me cool stuff like eyeballs and spleens and moles and stuff. i can send you an eyeball if ya want… i got lot’ah them. they have little tenacles on em, you can name em stuff like EYErene and give me as stocking stuffers. i have lots’ah stuff i can give you if ya want so people’ll think yer cool. i got 8 six-packs of "billy" beer too ! jimmy carter’s brother, member? and i have staples that were removed from an incision that was in a famous person, i’ll tell ya who if ya want one or two, you can stick em in yer bomber jacket’n stuff. i got so much cool stuff and i have so much fun doin nothin that now i can do fun things without fear, cuz i think i might discover cool stuff like bones or a time in a bottle or catch a fish with my hands or climb trees that yer not supposed to and if you think i wouldn’t rather have fun…. you ain’t NEVER done laundry wimme. i even embedded my Blue Dog prints in my hardwood floors, walls and ceiling and covered em with Lexand so’s they were like tiles and i gave broken pieces of tile to people and told em it was pieces of a tooth from whoever their favorite famous dead person is and i smush bricks and give em as gifts as relics from the pyramids in egypt, i can make you stuff too. i can send ya some of my bathwater and tell ya it’s Kim Bassinger’s if ya wanna impress yer friends. they know i’m lyin, but we sit’n pretend and it’s fun. so that’s the short version of how "i’d rather have fun" too. if ya want more info, lemme know, i’ll be glad to accomodate. sometime i give people leftover food from restaurants and tell em a famous wrestler ate half of it and then we get all happy that we got it. i gave my friend a fried green tomato and told her Ruben ate half of it and we got so excited ! (but Ruben would never leave food, so that one was kinda hard ta swallah) but i can get you stuff … any stuff ya want. ya just gotta suspend your ability to disbelieve for a few. We’d treat you just like any of our dogs,
wouldja rub my stomach and lemme pee on yer leg? ::gettin’ moist:: which we think is wonderful. You even get to sleep in our bed with us at night.
no, Elliotttt… YOU get’ah sleep with US ! (if yer good) King sized bed is still OK for me and Janet and Auggie and Jasper.
i hope you begin ta feel tha same about yer couch. One more ain’t gonna make much difference
nah, tha total’d remain tha same, yer on tha couch, member???? (unless Janet were to wake up from your moaning and groaning)…..
she BEST stay for tha reaction she created ! i’d be so bummed. (we’ll keep it down as ta not wake YER ass up tho. i belive in bein’ polite.) lalalalallaa do they have a "whiners ‘r’ us" support group? Yup!
ain’t he bunji jumped from a mountain in australia with a loose rope made’ah dental floss YET? LOL
i’m sittin’ here with muh best friend and she just read those posts from ole Ma and she’s crackin’ her ass UP ! …but she’s beautiful with an unbelievable personality and she recognizes jealousy easily, so she encounters bitterness from other women based on the attention she solicits by just bein’ her. i got more ta say bout that, i showed my shrink tha thread taday (we’s like cool friends… and i got on his puter’n he called his cohorts in and they were like… "look at this shit, does this woman really think she’s not exposing herself????" they didn’t know this kinda stuff existed, they were kinda wigged out…. like WHOOAAAHHHH ! my doctor said "tanya? do you feel honored to be the recipient of such envy? ".. i said "shaddup… ya dork" i said "i do get lots of attention, but i ain’t cute. i said "that’s why all my friends are so gorgeous girlfriends cuz they ain’t intimidated, they’ve dealt with people bein’ drawn to em all their lives, and they all are dynamic personalities with fast-forward careers." my friend sittin’ here now’s the vice-president of a bank and owns a business in the music industry so she’s bout ta die at the pettiness, it’s takin’ her back to grade school ! LOL she’s all "tanya… i can’t belive you don’t just feel sorry for this woman… (she’s sayin’ it between snorts while she’s holdin’ back laughter. she’s feeling sorry for her but laffin’ and now i’m about ta pee my pants. she’s saying "awwww… poor thing".. <snort and eat a twinkie…. god, we’re retards. i’m quittin’ postin’ here anyway, i only come here during down times and she’s opening a business in the forum i told you about, she’s about to do the desk-top publishing. she’s all "you ain’t got time fer this shit…. get tha fuck off there, bitch" god, i’m quotin’ my best friend as she’s talkin. now she’s singin’. i won’t quote that. she’s recallin’ my doctor’s reaction of pity mixed with laughter now, she dated him so he lets her come to my appointments. plus, this lil town? everybody does crap different. ok…. i wonder is this email long enough, cuz i can go on and on and on and on. oh yeah…. and on. now she’s about ta post, and i’m sendin ya our picture, like it or not. HAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ~tanya i’m just (but abhors transparency) … she’s gonna do a post. you wanna see a picture of us? i’ll send ya one. she’s a doll…
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"Sooner or later, everyone will post a private email by accident."
yea! tell me about it! do they have a "whiners ‘r’ us" support group? Yup! LOL
LMAO!!! Oh man…. you are baaaad… too funny… — Elliott remove eee to eeemail
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – there’s "group mentality", then there’s "jealous wannabe member group" mentality… and yanno, Gary? you were right when we were talkin’ on the phone the other night, i just talked to my shrink. and my best friend… and you’n me been talkin on tha phone for how many hours? and when you saw that post you nailed tha same as the others did (tha one from bluesma) "it’s so apparent, tanya… it’s obvious, it’s black and white ! you are too intelligent to miss it. she is alone when you said you had NO respect for her after seeing that post, i’ve talked to 3 other group members tonight, they’ve all said the SAME THING. and when you said you pictured her as this homely old woman sitting in her house alone, probably reading, with some sort of serious attitude about psychiatry? IT’S UNANIMOUS ! why am i always tha last ta see tha obvious? (but you never wrote the post you said you were… unless i missed it, cuz from what you told me ya wrote or were gonna? (she’d be cryin’ like a lil cupie doll.) so g’on ahead…. write it.
uhhhhhhhhh, how’d that post get in here, i sent it directly to Gary… well holy shit, that little slice’ah heaven just blew my thunder. hell, i’m still gonna write my post… fuckahbunchah whiners. i’m so done with that shit. i ain’t been jealous since i was 13, (but then agin, i’ve been cute with a exquisite gift for attracting people since i was 16 so i didn’t have a reason ta be. ) doh ti dohhhhhhhhh… HAHAHAHHA ….and i’ll still be jukkin’n jivin’ when i’m 99, i’m sure. (lord, don’t put me thru 52 more years’ah this. send me ta Elliot’s house’re sumthin !) do they have a "whiners ‘r’ us" support group? cuz i’m gunna ship about 4′5′ah these dorkus manorkus goofballs down there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ~tannnnnnnnnnnnnnnya well, i’m gonna go now…
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"god, i just bored myself ta tears with that post." In the spirit of "support group mentality", I will assure you that you were not alone.
there’s "group mentality", then there’s "jealous wannabe member group" mentality… and yanno, Gary? you were right when we were talkin’ on the phone the other night, i just talked to my shrink. and my best friend… and you’n me been talkin on tha phone for how many hours? and when you saw that post you nailed tha same as the others did (tha one from bluesma) "it’s so apparent, tanya… it’s obvious, it’s black and white ! you are too intelligent to miss it. she is alone when you said you had NO respect for her after seeing that post, i’ve talked to 3 other group members tonight, they’ve all said the SAME THING. and when you said you pictured her as this homely old woman sitting in her house alone, probably reading, with some sort of serious attitude about psychiatry? IT’S UNANIMOUS ! why am i always tha last ta see tha obvious? (but you never wrote the post you said you were… unless i missed it, cuz from what you told me ya wrote or were gonna? (she’d be cryin’ like a lil cupie doll.) so g’on ahead…. write it. love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ~tannnnnnnnnnnnnnnya well, i’m gonna go now…
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Sub. – You should write children books.
Boss? you should be muh boss. sub…. Bosssssssssss….(hmmmmm) I THINK WE COULD BE ON TA SUMTHIN, BY JOVE ! are ya cute? i’m desperate. this could be’ah HOOKUPPPPPPP ! ~tanya
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"god, i just bored myself ta tears with that post." In the spirit of "support group mentality", I will assure you that you were not alone. That was just TOO easy, ur settin’ me up. I gotchur numbah! G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think cause tends to be multi-faceted. There is a growing and considerable body of evidence to suggest genetic origin to anxiety disorders. i KNEW my friggin’ mother had sumthin ta do with this shit too. (figgers) As to anxiety itself – anxiety IS an emotion, much like jealousy, joy, sadness, rage, elation, etc… how ya figger "I’M DUNNA DIE, I’M HAVIN’ A HEART ATTACK, I CAN HEAR MY BLOOD PRESSURE RISIN’, PLEASE DON’T TELL ANYONE I’M DEAD I’LL BE SO EMBARRASSED, PUT ‘I TOLD YOU GUYS I WASN’T FEELIN’ SO FUCKIN’ HOT’ ON MY TOMBSTONE" and my skin is comin off muh bones in strips and THA ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE ME IS TA SEE GARY’S FACE WHEN I TURN OVER AFTER HE’S DONE SMASHIN’ MY FACE IN A PILLOW" ta be emotions? it all feels more physical ta me. i vote fer physical and SAVIN’ TANYA ! Obviously some people’s anxiety disorders are certainly due to underlying emotional problems, but i got more emotional problems than carter has little liver pills’n i never have a panic attack when deal with that shit, i just get pissed and wanna kill people… but i don’t panic unless i think about endin’ up with a knife at’ah gun fight. and usually more exactly ‘more exactly’? how much more exact can exact be? what is the step up from exact? ok… sorry, couldn’t HEP MUHSELF ! (i nevah.) (i hate when people say stuff ‘almost precisely’ like that, ‘almost always’ i do. i’m ‘75% positive’ i do. i’m ’sure, in a questioning’ way… it’s ‘maybe definite, possibly’. i’m ‘almost absolutely real close ta positive’, in fact. < the way they deal with their "problems of emotions". i call my friend and annoy him’s now i do it. i figger i’ll feel better if i make him more miserable than me. i for SURE think MAYBE it’s on his last nerve, but i’m hard ta get rid of, i’m like a slight case of temporary genital herpes. ok… i’m gonna stop, (startin’ now), doin’ that word manipulation thing, it’s buggin’ me. I’d kinda like to have an "elation disorder", but they don’t seem to have that – why is that anyway? if YOU want it why’s it matter if THEY have it? it’s all part’ah sharin’, huh…. awwwww… (maybe viagra’s responsible for the swift kick in tha ‘elation disorders’ ass.) hell… blame it on jack…elation eliminatin’ bitch, he is! All that having been said, I’m really not that big on etiologies; don’t them bugs have like 19 eyes? I’m much more interested in the treatment and/or cure for problems. oh good… i got’ah pillow handy. she shoots, she SCORESSSS !!!! To be fair, it does help considerably in solving a problem if one knows it’s origin. i think ta be fair, the origin is generally in ONE of yer parent’s womb. (i won’t say which one) i like ta keep ya guessin’. We can talk all day long at 150 bucks an hour well i bet we could ! damn… talk ain’t cheap. that’s like 6 blowjobs in tha mission district. tell ME tha better value. oh, and how much i owe ya? i’ll email yer check on tuesday. about WHY you’re anxious, but if we don’t spend some time on formulating and executing a strategy like ::reload:: ? for you to undertake, how much improvement are you likely to show? i suppose one should opt for a clip full’ah hollah points’n one in tha chamber. that’s a pretty tight strategy in my book. purdy fool-proof. I submit WAITTTT !!!!!!! how come YOU always get’ah submit. :-/ < the answer to that is "not that much". well a LOT, then. you should learn ta take turns. This is why cognitive behavioral therapy has become the therapy of choice for most, as opposed to "psychoanalysis", which tends to look at origin, but not at strategy/implementation. them psychoanalysts have strategy. three words: "take this pill." If someone’s anxiety level is too high (or too low for that matter), they are not well-prepared for "optimal" learning ain’t that subjective or they make a thermometer fer that. – an essential component of any effective therapy. i agree. thermometers are essential if strategically placed… subjectively. (well, that’s my story’n i’m stickin’ to it.) Medicating overly high anxiety levels is sometimes necessary in order to start any therapy project, ’specially that CBT project… medication is a decent choice for that venue, yeah. (ow????) just so the patient can absorb new information and focus reasonably well. (i ain’t touchin’ that’n) "We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues." AMEN ! i say rely on lube. always. consistent, cost effective, dependable, and ya don’t gotta leave home ta have access to it. a) What types of issues? oh…. yer talkin’ ta that guy that feigns verbosity ta cover his inconsistencies, blanket statements that are obviously generalized based on his own personal experience. that guys that thinks ya can’t smell shit if plant roses in it. ok… now i’m up ta speed. issues emanate from a specific source. ya reckon he could be a bit more…. VAGUE? his mere repetition of this vague term suggests he either has no clue what his symptoms conclude, maybe he HAS no symptoms or is pretending ta be enlightened, hopin’ nobody’ll notice his avoidance (which may, in itself, be his ‘issue’.) could be he’s passive aggressive as a means to avoid bein’ pin-pointed and interrogated on a specific level he is uninformed about. passive aggression is also an issue of specificity in and of itself. it’s a poor but effective (for some agendas) form of communication as it gives his audience so much wiggle room that it’s safe. alotta blanks left unfilled in gives him the power to fill them in as he see’s fit, systematically and progressively manufacturing the hero he has a desire to become. he’s safe that his ignorance of the real source, or even the possibility that he will be exposed as being unaware of the source will result in revelation. it is, at the same time, insulting to those he’s addressing. i am speaking to you, Gary, OF him as if he were in the room hearing me blatantly discuss him while giving the ’strategic illusion’ that i may or may not be speaking about him, rendering him helpless to come to his own defense. i have given myself space to retort if he does choose to defend with a demeaning: "i was speaking of a friend" which now leaves him even MORE defenseless. i’ve created MORE room to build the foundation for a hapless endeavor unavailable for infiltration based on the possibility that i am not speaking of him based on discluding crucial information. the passive aggressor depends fully on what he does NOT say to gain control and power. his goal at this point would be solicitation, a means to convince ME i’m speaking of him, (which i’ve made impossible) and in the process of his attempts i’ve now manipulated him to BEG me, virtually, to know he knows it’s him but again, you cannot tag even the obvious on what is not available, what is not there, what is not said, space created thru avoidence. thus, he’s now positioning himself to unwittingly ‘call himself out’ but now with no way out. he’s been cornered to respond to questioning he otherwise may have avoided without my own passive aggressive display dismissing/eliminating his. i took his weapon away. i took away his game unfairly, with malice, no spirit of goodness. in fact, i have cornered him into an even MORE vulnerable position. he can never put his finger on the fact (as we all know it) that i was underhanded and cannot be reckoned with, there is no redemption in nothingness, even though it screams louder than the articulated word. i have been devoid of specifics, facts, concrete evidence that would make his case. CHECKMATE ! i presume this behavior is 2nd nature, something he’s so accustomed to that he has become adept by virtue of dependence on this armour. he’s possibly unaware of this forum he has subconsciously subscribed to, a way to remain guarded and powerful. to save face he must now face his audience and be on the chopping block he soooo tried to avoid, risking persecution of his lack of knowledge he attempted so vigorously to hide. it’s frustrating to deal with passive aggression. the recipient of the above example of PA behavior is in no position to respond or offer any information that resulted in the observation that he was, is, indeed the topic of this forum. there is no information to offer, it is non-existent by design. there will always be space in my preceeding presentation for him to be systematically ‘possibly’ eliminated at my whim. (i decide as we go how to fill in the blanks to serve my agenda), as the ‘target’ even though we ALL know who i’m speaking of. it’s shamefully clear. i’ve rendered him helpless to serve his own needs to control, manipulate, and… i win by default of my own creation. my approach here is very passive aggressive, so i KNOW passive aggression. it’s a cop-out in it’s purest form. don’t you think he would agree? (do i always gotta DRIVE HOME A POINT?) i hate that about me. b) On what do you base the "clearly doesn’t work" i’m thinkin’ "clearly doesn’t work" kinda says it all for ANY occasion… especially when freshness counts tha most. part of that sentence? ohohoh, we’re back ta him. i get so confused.
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Yes, obviously emotional wounds and other traumas should be processed. The problem is that some people get very wrapped up in the process of the process…. I listened to a very good discussion a while back by Dr. Phillip Nynan about genetics – very informative. If you are into etiologies, you’d like it I’m sure. If you want to, write to me, and I’ll find it as soon as I get this room/desk cleaned up (is failure to be neat and tidy a genetic problem, or one borne of traumas and narcisisstic injuries which need to be processed?) and I’ll send you the CD. If you’re medical, you can get 4 Category 1 Physician CME credits from it too. Kindly, Gary
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gary, I’m not sure we disagree – exactly. I was incorrect in stating that I believed anxiety was not a "psychological" ailment. I should have said "neurological". As well, I wouldn’t argue at all that cognitive therapy is ineffective for treatment of "anxiety disorders". I can accept that there is genetic influence on our emotionality too. I know this to be the case. There’s also siginificant genetic influence on the colour of car we drive and the brand of cigarettes we smoke! But there are far greater emotional determinants to these characteristicss than anything! I believe also, that there is a much bigger emotional component (e.g. PTSD) to many anxiety and depressive disorders than the medical establishment seems to recognize. I’ve personally sat in front of several psychiatrists, spoken of my own persoanal childhood trauma and then subsequently been diagnosed with this disorder or that disorder and then promptly medicated. In retrospect, those psychiatrists, in their lab coats and business suits, didn’t seem too interested at all in pursuing any emotional aspect at all of my problems – which were emotional! There are of course acute situations where drugs are of great benefit – but only in the short term (I’m still talking specifically about anxiety and most depressive disorders). I am however big on etiology. Emotional wounds need to be processed, both emotionally and cognitively or they just don’t seem to heal in my experience. Granted thee are some treatments (e.g. systematic desensitization treatment of phobias) where etiology isn’t as important….. Anyway, I really don’t want to slam psychiatrists or any and all kind of drug therapies. I just believe these treatments are WAY over-used in the treatment of these predominately emotionally based ailments. Blues Ma: I think we agree (At least we did before I wrote this)! Elliot: Do you want a fight? Take care, Allan
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I feel my heart pounding in my chest almost all day long. It goes faster whenever I do anything at all. At times it will start racing up to 130bpm.
HOLY FRIGGIN COW TURDS, MINE’S 120-140 ALL’AH TIME ! hey Joe… are ya cute? if so, c’mon over we can die tagether. (i’m so romantic) I had to actually go to the hospital because I got so scared at one point.
did they put ya in tha "Intensive Scare" unit? The hospital said they found nothing wrong.
(you must not have insurance) So I went to my cardiologist.
big mistake. (them boys is card counters, they cheat… you’ll never win. SCAM !!! ) did an EKG said it was perfect.
well i dang sure hope so… i’d be pissed if they was testin’ ya with flawed stuff. Then I wore a halter for 24 hours
wowwwwww, you should change clothes more often. but i DO dig that 70’s look… fa real. He said the results were fine.
as IF you care how tha results are … it’s YOU yer goin’ psycho over. tell him it’s all about YOUUUUUUUUUUUU, dammit ! He said he will know for sure when I go and do the stress test and echo next week.
a WEEK? yer on yer last leg’n he’s waitin’ a WEEK?!????! (bust up in there’n demand a stress echo test) So fare everything points out ok, but why am I getting these.
could be several things. 1: ya need ta be ::poppinahcouplahbluez:: (but that’s my answer fer everything from panic attacks to a flea on yer dog’s butt)… there’s ALWAYS room fer bluezzzzz !!!! 2: yer buyin’ inta steve(mcs)’s posted crap or ya met him’n he’s contagious. (i KNOW his heart’s beatin’ fast, tha nazis are lookin’ for him. they’re out ta get him…. BOO !) i’d give muh left breasticle ta find directions ta his house 3: yer neurotic 4: you need ta get married. (205) 987-9542 (THAT IS NOT A HINT, THAT WAS A NUMBER PAD TEST, I’M WAY TOO FUCKIN’ SUBTLE FER THAT !) 5: excessive mas-tro-bation (205) 987-95…… (HAHAHAHHAHAHA… just kiddin’) 6: (it’s cancer) Can anyone shed some light if you have experienced these as well?
wull.. hell yeah i have, and i thunk it was normal ! thanks’ah HEAP !!!! come visit me, we can die tagether like romeo’n juliet ! (::swooooooon::) ~tanya ! bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz R.I.P. 0–<
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I think he’s referring to this statement: i have a flight out tomorrow that will return on wednesday,
i didn’t go on that flight. this guy i was kinda ’seein’ was gonna take me out in one of his planes ta oklahoma cuz i love free shit but i didn’t go, i ended up in a shitty situation with a family member, and thought it more important to revel in my misery and be a martyr than ta go have fun. (why do they lemme run around loose? i ain’t got no good sense.) ~tanya (i did tha other part tho, that’s what kinda motivated tha shitty part, and sumbody gimme a key to tha psych ward, i’ll let muhself in.) ~tanya
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Sub. – You should write children books. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think cause tends to be multi-faceted. There is a growing and considerable body of evidence to suggest genetic origin to anxiety disorders. i KNEW my friggin’ mother had sumthin ta do with this shit too. (figgers) As to anxiety itself – anxiety IS an emotion, much like jealousy, joy, sadness, rage, elation, etc… how ya figger "I’M DUNNA DIE, I’M HAVIN’ A HEART ATTACK, I CAN HEAR MY BLOOD PRESSURE RISIN’, PLEASE DON’T TELL ANYONE I’M DEAD I’LL BE SO EMBARRASSED, PUT ‘I TOLD YOU GUYS I WASN’T FEELIN’ SO FUCKIN’ HOT’ ON MY TOMBSTONE" and my skin is comin off muh bones in strips and THA ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE ME IS TA SEE GARY’S FACE WHEN I TURN OVER AFTER HE’S DONE SMASHIN’ MY FACE IN A PILLOW" ta be emotions? it all feels more physical ta me. i vote fer physical and SAVIN’ TANYA ! Obviously some people’s anxiety disorders are certainly due to underlying emotional problems, but i got more emotional problems than carter has little liver pills’n i never have a panic attack when deal with that shit, i just get pissed and wanna kill people… but i don’t panic unless i think about endin’ up with a knife at’ah gun fight. and usually more exactly ‘more exactly’? how much more exact can exact be? what is the step up from exact? ok… sorry, couldn’t HEP MUHSELF ! (i nevah.) (i hate when people say stuff ‘almost precisely’ like that, ‘almost always’ i do. i’m ‘75% positive’ i do. i’m ’sure, in a questioning’ way… it’s ‘maybe definite, possibly’. i’m ‘almost absolutely real close ta positive’, in fact. < the way they deal with their "problems of emotions". i call my friend and annoy him’s now i do it. i figger i’ll feel better if i make him more miserable than me. i for SURE think MAYBE it’s on his last nerve, but i’m hard ta get rid of, i’m like a slight case of temporary genital herpes. ok… i’m gonna stop, (startin’ now), doin’ that word manipulation thing, it’s buggin’ me. I’d kinda like to have an "elation disorder", but they don’t seem to have that – why is that anyway? if YOU want it why’s it matter if THEY have it? it’s all part’ah sharin’, huh…. awwwww… (maybe viagra’s responsible for the swift kick in tha ‘elation disorders’ ass.) hell… blame it on jack…elation eliminatin’ bitch, he is! All that having been said, I’m really not that big on etiologies; don’t them bugs have like 19 eyes? I’m much more interested in the treatment and/or cure for problems. oh good… i got’ah pillow handy. she shoots, she SCORESSSS !!!! To be fair, it does help considerably in solving a problem if one knows it’s origin. i think ta be fair, the origin is generally in ONE of yer parent’s womb. (i won’t say which one) i like ta keep ya guessin’. We can talk all day long at 150 bucks an hour well i bet we could ! damn… talk ain’t cheap. that’s like 6 blowjobs in tha mission district. tell ME tha better value. oh, and how much i owe ya? i’ll email yer check on tuesday. about WHY you’re anxious, but if we don’t spend some time on formulating and executing a strategy like ::reload:: ? for you to undertake, how much improvement are you likely to show? i suppose one should opt for a clip full’ah hollah points’n one in tha chamber. that’s a pretty tight strategy in my book. purdy fool-proof. I submit WAITTTT !!!!!!! how come YOU always get’ah submit. :-/ < the answer to that is "not that much". well a LOT, then. you should learn ta take turns. This is why cognitive behavioral therapy has become the therapy of choice for most, as opposed to "psychoanalysis", which tends to look at origin, but not at strategy/implementation. them psychoanalysts have strategy. three words: "take this pill." If someone’s anxiety level is too high (or too low for that matter), they are not well-prepared for "optimal" learning ain’t that subjective or they make a thermometer fer that. – an essential component of any effective therapy. i agree. thermometers are essential if strategically placed… subjectively. (well, that’s my story’n i’m stickin’ to it.) Medicating overly high anxiety levels is sometimes necessary in order to start any therapy project, ’specially that CBT project… medication is a decent choice for that venue, yeah. (ow????) just so the patient can absorb new information and focus reasonably well. (i ain’t touchin’ that’n) "We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues." AMEN ! i say rely on lube. always. consistent, cost effective, dependable, and ya don’t gotta leave home ta have access to it. a) What types of issues? oh…. yer talkin’ ta that guy that feigns verbosity ta cover his inconsistencies, blanket statements that are obviously generalized based on his own personal experience. that guys that thinks ya can’t smell shit if plant roses in it. ok… now i’m up ta speed. issues emanate from a specific source. ya reckon he could be a bit more…. VAGUE? his mere repetition of this vague term suggests he either has no clue what his symptoms conclude, maybe he HAS no symptoms or is pretending ta be enlightened, hopin’ nobody’ll notice his avoidance (which may, in itself, be his ‘issue’.) could be he’s passive aggressive as a means to avoid bein’ pin-pointed and interrogated on a specific level he is uninformed about. passive aggression is also an issue of specificity in and of itself. it’s a poor but effective (for some agendas) form of communication as it gives his audience so much wiggle room that it’s safe. alotta blanks left unfilled in gives him the power to fill them in as he see’s fit, systematically and progressively manufacturing the hero he has a desire to become. he’s safe that his ignorance of the real source, or even the possibility that he will be exposed as being unaware of the source will result in revelation. it is, at the same time, insulting to those he’s addressing. i am speaking to you, Gary, OF him as if he were in the room hearing me blatantly discuss him while giving the ’strategic illusion’ that i may or may not be speaking about him, rendering him helpless to come to his own defense. i have given myself space to retort if he does choose to defend with a demeaning: "i was speaking of a friend" which now leaves him even MORE defenseless. i’ve created MORE room to build the foundation for a hapless endeavor unavailable for infiltration based on the possibility that i am not speaking of him based on discluding crucial information. the passive aggressor depends fully on what he does NOT say to gain control and power. his goal at this point would be solicitation, a means to convince ME i’m speaking of him, (which i’ve made impossible) and in the process of his attempts i’ve now manipulated him to BEG me, virtually, to know he knows it’s him but again, you cannot tag even the obvious on what is not available, what is not there, what is not said, space created thru avoidence. thus, he’s now positioning himself to unwittingly ‘call himself out’ but now with no way out. he’s been cornered to respond to questioning he otherwise may have avoided without my own passive aggressive display dismissing/eliminating his. i took his weapon away. i took away his game unfairly, with malice, no spirit of goodness. in fact, i have cornered him into an even MORE vulnerable position. he can never put his finger on the fact (as we all know it) that i was underhanded and cannot be reckoned with, there is no redemption in nothingness, even though it screams louder than the articulated word. i have been devoid of specifics, facts, concrete evidence that would make his case. CHECKMATE ! i presume this behavior is 2nd nature, something he’s so accustomed to that he has become adept by virtue of dependence on this armour. he’s possibly unaware of this forum he has subconsciously subscribed to, a way to remain guarded and powerful. to save face he must now face his audience and be on the chopping block he soooo tried to avoid, risking persecution of his lack of knowledge he attempted so vigorously to hide. it’s frustrating to deal with passive aggression. the recipient of the above example of PA behavior is in no position to respond or offer any information that resulted in the observation that he was, is, indeed the topic of this forum. there is no information to offer, it is non-existent by design. there will always be space in my preceeding presentation for him to be systematically ‘possibly’ eliminated at my whim. (i decide as we go how to fill in the blanks to serve my agenda), as the ‘target’ even though we ALL know who i’m speaking of. it’s shamefully clear. i’ve rendered him helpless to serve his own needs to control, manipulate, and… i win by default of my own creation. my approach here is very passive aggressive, so i KNOW passive aggression. it’s a cop-out in it’s purest form. don’t you think he would agree? (do i always gotta DRIVE HOME A POINT?) i hate that about me. b) On what do you base the "clearly doesn’t work" i’m thinkin’ "clearly doesn’t work" kinda says it all for ANY occasion… especially when freshness counts tha most. part of that sentence? ohohoh, we’re back ta him. i get so confused. again, "clearly doesn’t work" is devoid of information necessary to combat it. WHAT doesn’t work in this
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I think cause tends to be multi-faceted. There is a growing and considerable body of evidence to suggest genetic origin to anxiety disorders.
i KNEW my friggin’ mother had sumthin ta do with this shit too. (figgers) As to anxiety itself – anxiety IS an emotion, much like jealousy, joy, sadness, rage, elation, etc…
how ya figger "I’M DUNNA DIE, I’M HAVIN’ A HEART ATTACK, I CAN HEAR MY BLOOD PRESSURE RISIN’, PLEASE DON’T TELL ANYONE I’M DEAD I’LL BE SO EMBARRASSED, PUT ‘I TOLD YOU GUYS I WASN’T FEELIN’ SO FUCKIN’ HOT’ ON MY TOMBSTONE" and my skin is comin off muh bones in strips and THA ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE ME IS TA SEE GARY’S FACE WHEN I TURN OVER AFTER HE’S DONE SMASHIN’ MY FACE IN A PILLOW" ta be emotions? it all feels more physical ta me. i vote fer physical and SAVIN’ TANYA ! Obviously some people’s anxiety disorders are certainly due to underlying emotional problems,
but i got more emotional problems than carter has little liver pills’n i never have a panic attack when deal with that shit, i just get pissed and wanna kill people… but i don’t panic unless i think about endin’ up with a knife at’ah gun fight. and usually more exactly
‘more exactly’? how much more exact can exact be? what is the step up from exact? ok… sorry, couldn’t HEP MUHSELF ! (i nevah.) (i hate when people say stuff ‘almost precisely’ like that, ‘almost always’ i do. i’m ‘75% positive’ i do. i’m ’sure, in a questioning’ way… it’s ‘maybe definite, possibly’. i’m ‘almost absolutely real close ta positive’, in fact. < the way they deal with their "problems of emotions". i call my friend and annoy him’s now i do it. i figger i’ll feel better if i make him more miserable than me. i for SURE think MAYBE it’s on his last nerve, but i’m hard ta get rid of, i’m like a slight case of temporary genital herpes. ok… i’m gonna stop, (startin’ now), doin’ that word manipulation thing, it’s buggin’ me. I’d kinda like to have an "elation disorder", but they don’t seem to have that – why is that anyway?
if YOU want it why’s it matter if THEY have it? it’s all part’ah sharin’, huh…. awwwww… (maybe viagra’s responsible for the swift kick in tha ‘elation disorders’ ass.) hell… blame it on jack…elation eliminatin’ bitch, he is! All that having been said, I’m really not that big on etiologies;
don’t them bugs have like 19 eyes? I’m much more interested in the treatment and/or cure for problems.
oh good… i got’ah pillow handy. she shoots, she SCORESSSS !!!! To be fair, it does help considerably in solving a problem if one knows it’s origin.
i think ta be fair, the origin is generally in ONE of yer parent’s womb. (i won’t say which one) i like ta keep ya guessin’. We can talk all day long at 150 bucks an hour
well i bet we could ! damn… talk ain’t cheap. that’s like 6 blowjobs in tha mission district. tell ME tha better value. oh, and how much i owe ya? i’ll email yer check on tuesday. about WHY you’re anxious, but if we don’t spend some time on formulating and executing a strategy
like ::reload:: ? for you to undertake, how much improvement are you likely to show?
i suppose one should opt for a clip full’ah hollah points’n one in tha chamber. that’s a pretty tight strategy in my book. purdy fool-proof. I submit
WAITTTT !!!!!!! how come YOU always get’ah submit. :-/ < the answer to that is "not that much". well a LOT, then. you should learn ta take turns. This is why cognitive behavioral therapy has become the therapy of choice for most, as opposed to "psychoanalysis", which tends to look at origin, but not at strategy/implementation.
them psychoanalysts have strategy. three words: "take this pill." If someone’s anxiety level is too high (or too low for that matter), they are not well-prepared for "optimal" learning
ain’t that subjective or they make a thermometer fer that. – an essential component of any effective therapy.
i agree. thermometers are essential if strategically placed… subjectively. (well, that’s my story’n i’m stickin’ to it.) Medicating overly high anxiety levels is sometimes necessary in order to start any therapy project,
’specially that CBT project… medication is a decent choice for that venue, yeah. (ow????) just so the patient can absorb new information and focus reasonably well.
(i ain’t touchin’ that’n) "We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues."
AMEN ! i say rely on lube. always. consistent, cost effective, dependable, and ya don’t gotta leave home ta have access to it. a) What types of issues?
oh…. yer talkin’ ta that guy that feigns verbosity ta cover his inconsistencies, blanket statements that are obviously generalized based on his own personal experience. that guys that thinks ya can’t smell shit if plant roses in it. ok… now i’m up ta speed. issues emanate from a specific source. ya reckon he could be a bit more…. VAGUE? his mere repetition of this vague term suggests he either has no clue what his symptoms conclude, maybe he HAS no symptoms or is pretending ta be enlightened, hopin’ nobody’ll notice his avoidance (which may, in itself, be his ‘issue’.) could be he’s passive aggressive as a means to avoid bein’ pin-pointed and interrogated on a specific level he is uninformed about. passive aggression is also an issue of specificity in and of itself. it’s a poor but effective (for some agendas) form of communication as it gives his audience so much wiggle room that it’s safe. alotta blanks left unfilled in gives him the power to fill them in as he see’s fit, systematically and progressively manufacturing the hero he has a desire to become. he’s safe that his ignorance of the real source, or even the possibility that he will be exposed as being unaware of the source will result in revelation. it is, at the same time, insulting to those he’s addressing. i am speaking to you, Gary, OF him as if he were in the room hearing me blatantly discuss him while giving the ’strategic illusion’ that i may or may not be speaking about him, rendering him helpless to come to his own defense. i have given myself space to retort if he does choose to defend with a demeaning: "i was speaking of a friend" which now leaves him even MORE defenseless. i’ve created MORE room to build the foundation for a hapless endeavor unavailable for infiltration based on the possibility that i am not speaking of him based on discluding crucial information. the passive aggressor depends fully on what he does NOT say to gain control and power. his goal at this point would be solicitation, a means to convince ME i’m speaking of him, (which i’ve made impossible) and in the process of his attempts i’ve now manipulated him to BEG me, virtually, to know he knows it’s him but again, you cannot tag even the obvious on what is not available, what is not there, what is not said, space created thru avoidence. thus, he’s now positioning himself to unwittingly ‘call himself out’ but now with no way out. he’s been cornered to respond to questioning he otherwise may have avoided without my own passive aggressive display dismissing/eliminating his. i took his weapon away. i took away his game unfairly, with malice, no spirit of goodness. in fact, i have cornered him into an even MORE vulnerable position. he can never put his finger on the fact (as we all know it) that i was underhanded and cannot be reckoned with, there is no redemption in nothingness, even though it screams louder than the articulated word. i have been devoid of specifics, facts, concrete evidence that would make his case. CHECKMATE ! i presume this behavior is 2nd nature, something he’s so accustomed to that he has become adept by virtue of dependence on this armour. he’s possibly unaware of this forum he has subconsciously subscribed to, a way to remain guarded and powerful. to save face he must now face his audience and be on the chopping block he soooo tried to avoid, risking persecution of his lack of knowledge he attempted so vigorously to hide. it’s frustrating to deal with passive aggression. the recipient of the above example of PA behavior is in no position to respond or offer any information that resulted in the observation that he was, is, indeed the topic of this forum. there is no information to offer, it is non-existent by design. there will always be space in my preceeding presentation for him to be systematically ‘possibly’ eliminated at my whim. (i decide as we go how to fill in the blanks to serve my agenda), as the ‘target’ even though we ALL know who i’m speaking of. it’s shamefully clear. i’ve rendered him helpless to serve his own needs to control, manipulate, and… i win by default of my own creation. my approach here is very passive aggressive, so i KNOW passive aggression. it’s a cop-out in it’s purest form. don’t you think he would agree? (do i always gotta DRIVE HOME A POINT?) i hate that about me. b) On what do you base the "clearly doesn’t work"
i’m thinkin’ "clearly doesn’t work" kinda says it all for ANY occasion… especially when freshness counts tha most. part of that sentence?
ohohoh, we’re back ta him. i get so confused. again, "clearly doesn’t work" is devoid of information necessary to combat it. WHAT doesn’t work in this arena? he hasn’t even established the source of the issue. there is nothing presented as the work to solve. "clearly?" again, where is the information needed for us to properly process this subjective, tho presented as definite unequivicle assessment of the failure of a process offered to solve an ‘issue’ we know nothing of. is he talkin about pop rock addiction? the joy of cooking gone bad? the assessment is based on non-existent information. the passive-aggressor’s barracadeis in place to sans exposure of his illiteracy on a subject we’re left in the dark about. (but he … read more »
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The mania/high/elation/outta control of sorts – often isn’t treated (as in the patient won’t take their meds) because the patient doesn’t want to lose that feeling. I think Tanya might agree with that – when she gets back from her trip (or whatever). eeeeyup ! i said that ta Gary like 2 nights ago when i was talkin’ about not bein’ able to metabolize bipolar meds like depakote, neurontin, seroquel, blah blah blah, only 15% of the bipolar population can and 1% correctly, and a bunch that think they can’t cuz they don’t get high from em so what’s tha use… we generally want immediate gratification. or i do, anyway… i ain’t got tha patience ta wait for 6 days on sumthin’ ta work. I WANT WHAT I WANT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW for no good reason. it’s them SSRIs that piss me off, i dunno if anything’s doin anything in 6 freakin’ days, i’m done on to bigger’n bettah things like fergettin’ ANYTHING i did 6 days ago. then we talked about how alotta people don’t wanna medicate bipolarity cuz mania is such’ah desirable state… but i ain’t ever manic, i’m just FRIGGIN’ ANNOYIN’ 99.9% OF THA TIME ! K? k. what trip?
I think he’s referring to this statement: in tha meantime, i have a magazine to publish, 2 tattoo shops to open, several media events to attend, and a ABC affiliate luncheon with my ex, the anchorman for this station to launch my new magazine. i have a flight out tomorrow that will return on wednesday, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tha last trip i been on was 2 miles up tha road this afternoon, and i’m comin’ back in …. oh wait… i’m back. anywayyyyyyyyyy. ~tanya
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The mania/high/elation/outta control of sorts – often isn’t treated (as in the patient won’t take their meds) because the patient doesn’t want to lose that feeling. I think Tanya might agree with that – when she gets back from her trip (or whatever).
eeeeyup ! i said that ta Gary like 2 nights ago when i was talkin’ about not bein’ able to metabolize bipolar meds like depakote, neurontin, seroquel, blah blah blah, only 15% of the bipolar population can and 1% correctly, and a bunch that think they can’t cuz they don’t get high from em so what’s tha use… we generally want immediate gratification. or i do, anyway… i ain’t got tha patience ta wait for 6 days on sumthin’ ta work. I WANT WHAT I WANT NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW for no good reason. it’s them SSRIs that piss me off, i dunno if anything’s doin anything in 6 freakin’ days, i’m done on to bigger’n bettah things like fergettin’ ANYTHING i did 6 days ago. then we talked about how alotta people don’t wanna medicate bipolarity cuz mania is such’ah desirable state… but i ain’t ever manic, i’m just FRIGGIN’ ANNOYIN’ 99.9% OF THA TIME ! K? k. what trip? tha last trip i been on was 2 miles up tha road this afternoon, and i’m comin’ back in …. oh wait… i’m back. anywayyyyyyyyyy. ~tanya
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With respect – I don’t believe this is good advice.
why ya gotta say yer respectin’ what ya don’t even believe is good? and HARLEY???? is that YOUUUUUU????? with a vocabulary????? I don’t see drugs or, for that matter,
(‘for that matter’ is unnecessary’n i don’t trust boys that cram in extra words ta look smart.) Psychiatrists
that’d be ‘psychiatrists’… they don’t get’ah CAP. as the answer to this particular
(yer doin’ that crammin’ extra word in crap agin "particularrrrrr" is unnecessary !!!!… STOPPIT ! yer makin’ me panic.) problems. I believe there is almost always
almost always? please explain how often that is. (and be ‘kinda sure’ about it) an underlying emotional reason for anxiety.
underlying as opposed to….. what? oooooooookie dokie, hot shot. you done went’n figgered out what researchers that probly have a LIL more extensive information than you do about the anatomy of a brain (or an emotion, whatever)… they probly even have a brain cell… (so they’re 2 up on ya already) have been tryin’ ta figger out for years. this phenomenon is inexplicible, becoming accepted as a physical as well as psychological disorder worthy of research. i guess if they can get away with sayin’ mary was’ah virgin when she got preggers with JC they can get away with acceptin’ panic as immaculate also. and bless their pea-pickin’ hearts ! (they used ta think it was all in yer head… HAHAHAHA) so why doncha g’on off’n tell us how to reach this holy grail yer so intune with, cuz i guar-onnnn-teeeeeee there ain’t a one of us here that wouldn’t give ya all our stuff we own ta know THIS breakthrough’s path to tha cure. oh, while yer at it, could you explain ta me how lizards turn different colors and why no two snowflakes are alike and who tha hell looked at every single snowflake to enable that observation? oh hell… just tell me tha answers ta ALL tha mysteries in life. (can i call ya daddy?) Long term use of psychoactive drugs are a dead end.
livin yer life is a dead end. so? wanna do it comfy or with pain and do you take any meds at all? please bust up in tha dialysis unit tomorrow mornin’ and tell them people ta "GET THA FUCK UP OFF THEM MACHINES, THEY’RE DEAD ENDS, just drink more beer." in my opinion, they only serve to numb your emotions.
oh good god. (they should hand ‘em out at chick flicks based on that theory) Yes they may do well to see you through a tough time here and there, but for recurring problems (like this man’s – and mine!)
they are only a band-aid.
translation: go thru tuff times with’ah dazzling smile. do NOT use tha resources available, that would be unfathomable. ::tossin’ muh ‘hello kitty band-aids::…. LET’ER BLEEEEEEEEED ! We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues.
ok AGIN, tuff guy…. try tellin’ me my xanax don’t work. you dunno. you ain’t livin’ at my house. so don’t speak in generalities and if they don’t work for you, maybe you should take more. then more. more is better. maybe they don’t work cuz yer past tha point of no return, cuz you ain’t got tha sense ta pee in a boot’n throw it out tha window. (with respect, of course). There’s a ton of info about anxiety out there now, with real insight about these EMOTIONAL (not psychological, or biological)
BINGO ! yer makin’ observations based on what you believe YOUR issues are. well, Einstein… mine ain’t been narrowed down to emotions yet, i ain’t hip ta THAT bandwagon, or i’d be jumpin’ on it, duuuuuuude….. cuz where i live they ain’t discovered from whence any form of anxiety (panic included) originates. i KNEW i should’ah moved ta yer house… alabama ain’t progressive.! (i KNOW ya didn’t discover this enlightening info in utah, they’re all morons.) OOPS ! that would be MORMONS… scratch that utah reference. oh, you gotta cure for jerry’s kids? they been waitin’ an awful long time’n jerry ain’t lookin’ so hot. get on that’n, ok? we’ll appoint you his replacement. you can be like tha vice-jerry-zident cuz you know shit nobody else does you should go inta the televangelism industry, no shit. <HEALLLLLLLLL !!!!! Here’s an example: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/emotional_psychological_trauma.html
why you here? why you have panic? you got that website mojo goin’ on, ya see. i’m thinkin’ i’m wonderin’ why this crap ain’t… WORKIN’ FOR YA ! you just motivated me ta type the stupidest shit ever one MORE time, i gotta stop readin’ you holier’n-thou folk’s posts. i’m startin’ ta feel like a move ta utah is in order. oh wait… MORRRRMONNNNN !!! (nebbermind.) ::bangin head on keyboard:: got no walkin’ around sense’n now i up’n prove it once agin, i’m mad at you.) Take care!
STOP ENDORSIN’ MEDICAL PRODUCTS ! take’ah shot’ah jose’. ~tanya
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Gary, I’m not sure we disagree – exactly. I was incorrect in stating that I believed anxiety was not a "psychological" ailment. I should have said "neurological". As well, I wouldn’t argue at all that cognitive therapy is ineffective for treatment of "anxiety disorders". I can accept that there is genetic influence on our emotionality too. I know this to be the case. There’s also siginificant genetic influence on the colour of car we drive and the brand of cigarettes we smoke! But there are far greater emotional determinants to these characteristicss than anything! I believe also, that there is a much bigger emotional component (e.g. PTSD) to many anxiety and depressive disorders than the medical establishment seems to recognize. I’ve personally sat in front of several psychiatrists, spoken of my own persoanal childhood trauma and then subsequently been diagnosed with this disorder or that disorder and then promptly medicated. In retrospect, those psychiatrists, in their lab coats and business suits, didn’t seem too interested at all in pursuing any emotional aspect at all of my problems – which were emotional! There are of course acute situations where drugs are of great benefit – but only in the short term (I’m still talking specifically about anxiety and most depressive disorders). I am however big on etiology. Emotional wounds need to be processed, both emotionally and cognitively or they just don’t seem to heal in my experience. Granted thee are some treatments (e.g. systematic desensitization treatment of phobias) where etiology isn’t as important….. Anyway, I really don’t want to slam psychiatrists or any and all kind of drug therapies. I just believe these treatments are WAY over-used in the treatment of these predominately emotionally based ailments. Blues Ma: I think we agree (At least we did before I wrote this)! Elliot: Do you want a fight? Take care, Allan
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I think cause tends to be multi-faceted. There is a growing and considerable body of evidence to suggest genetic origin to anxiety disorders. As to anxiety itself – anxiety IS an emotion, much like jealousy, joy, sadness, rage, elation, etc… Obviously some people’s anxiety disorders are certainly due to underlying emotional problems, and usually more exactly, the way they deal with their "problems of emotions". I’d kinda like to have an "elation disorder", but they don’t seem to have that – why is that anyway? All that having been said, I’m really not that big on etiologies; I’m much more interested in the treatment and/or cure for problems. To be fair, it does help considerably in solving a problem if one knows it’s origin. We can talk all day long at 150 bucks an hour about WHY you’re anxious, but if we don’t spend some time on formulating and executing a strategy for you to undertake, how much improvement are you likely to show? I submit the answer to that is "not that much". This is why cognitive behavioral therapy has become the therapy of choice for most, as opposed to "psychoanalysis", which tends to look at origin, but not at strategy/implementation. If someone’s anxiety level is too high (or too low for that matter), they are not well-prepared for "optimal" learning – an essential component of any effective therapy. Medicating overly high anxiety levels is sometimes necessary in order to start any therapy project, just so the patient can absorb new information and focus reasonably well. "We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues." a) What types of issues? b) On what do you base the "clearly doesn’t work" part of that sentence? If I show you one patient who got better, it becomes somewhat less clear, doesn’t it ? Gary
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With respect – I don’t believe this is good advice. I don’t see drugs or, for that matter, Psychiatrists as the answer to his particular problems. I believe there is almost always an underlying emotional reason for anxiety. Long term use of psychoactive drugs are a dead end in my opinion, they only serve to numb your emotions. Yes they may do well to see you through a tough time here and there, but for recurring problems (like this man’s – and mine!) they are only a band-aid solution. We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues. There’s a ton of info about anxiety out there now, with real insight about these EMOTIONAL (not psychological, or biological) issues. Here’s an example: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/emotional_psychological_trauma.htm Take care! Allan
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With respect – I don’t believe this is good advice. I don’t see drugs or, for that matter, Psychiatrists as the answer to his particular problems. I believe there is almost always an underlying emotional reason for anxiety. Long term use of psychoactive drugs are a dead end in my opinion, they only serve to numb your emotions. Yes they may do well to see you through a tough time here and there, but for recurring problems (like this man’s – and mine!) they are only a band-aid solution. We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues. There’s a ton of info about anxiety out there now, with real insight about these EMOTIONAL (not psychological, or biological) issues. Here’s an example: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/emotional_psychological_trauma.htm Take care! Allan
Appears to be a useful site for all sorts of issues. But sometimes, medication is really the best way to "start" a course of treatment. Just for temporary relief at least. Ma
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With respect – I don’t believe this is good advice. I don’t see drugs or, for that matter, Psychiatrists as the answer to his particular problems. I believe there is almost always an underlying emotional reason for anxiety. Long term use of psychoactive drugs are a dead end in my opinion, they only serve to numb your emotions. Yes they may do well to see you through a tough time here and there, but for recurring problems (like this man’s – and mine!) they are only a band-aid solution. We really shouldn’t rely on a medical system that clearly doesn’t work for these types of issues. There’s a ton of info about anxiety out there now, with real insight about these EMOTIONAL (not psychological, or biological) issues. Here’s an example: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/emotional_psychological_trauma.htm Take care! Allan
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That you have suffered "anxiety attacks all your life" (mine didn’t even start till the twenties, and I consider mine pretty bad) and you had some brief tachycardia a few times on a holter monitor (with the blessing of a cardiologist) is HIGHLY suggestive that you should just view it as a symptom, like sweating, nail-biting, hand-wringing, nausea etc.. It doesn’t have any power, and doesn’t mean your body is falling apart (the real issue here, isn’t it…) G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have suffered from anxiety attacks all my life. Lately I have been experiencing things with my heart and hope someone can shed some light. I feel my heart pounding in my chest almost all day long. It goes faster whenever I do anything at all. At times it will start racing up to 130bpm. I had to actually go to the hospital because I got so scared at one point. The hospital said they found nothing wrong. So I went to my cardiologist, did an EKG said it was perfect. Then I wore a halter for 24 hours in which the rapid heart rate happened twice. He said the results were fine. He said he will know for sure when I go and do the stress test and echo next week. So fare everything points out ok, but why am I getting these. Can anyone shed some light if you have experienced these as well? Thanks so much, Josell Paredes Male Age39
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I have suffered from anxiety attacks all my life. Lately I have been experiencing things with my heart and hope someone can shed some light. I feel my heart pounding in my chest almost all day long. It goes faster whenever I do anything at all. At times it will start racing up to 130bpm. I had to actually go to the hospital because I got so scared at one point. The hospital said they found nothing wrong. So I went to my cardiologist, did an EKG said it was perfect. Then I wore a halter for 24 hours in which the rapid heart rate happened twice. He said the results were fine. He said he will know for sure when I go and do the stress test and echo next week. So fare everything points out ok, but why am I getting these. Can anyone shed some light if you have experienced these as well? Thanks so much, Josell Paredes Male Age39
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Anxiety symptoms can change with age, or for no reason at all. Once you have ruled out any cardiac irregularities, check in with your psychiatrist - or whoever is prescribing your meds and complain about the new symptom. Ma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have suffered from anxiety attacks all my life. Lately I have been experiencing things with my heart and hope someone can shed some light. I feel my heart pounding in my chest almost all day long. It goes faster whenever I do anything at all. At times it will start racing up to 130bpm. I had to actually go to the hospital because I got so scared at one point. The hospital said they found nothing wrong. So I went to my cardiologist, did an EKG said it was perfect. Then I wore a halter for 24 hours in which the rapid heart rate happened twice. He said the results were fine. He said he will know for sure when I go and do the stress test and echo next week. So fare everything points out ok, but why am I getting these. Can anyone shed some light if you have experienced these as well? Thanks so much, Josell Paredes Male Age39
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— Instant Message Anyone? Yahoo! Messenger – yoshi2me http://www.yoshi2me.com/ http://www.herpes-help.blogspot.com/ 
First of all, you’d be surprised how many people have their first outbreaks around their weddings! I can remember reading quite a few notes like yours in here over the last decade. Just relax. Herpes is one of those things where there just isn’t any good answer. There are so many variables!! The only thing you can know for sure right now is that you have it and it doesn’t go away. That may sound horrible, but it’s true. So I always feel that it’s best to move on from that point. In about four months, make an appointment with your doctor to have one of the blood tests run. There are a few available. My personal favorite is the Herpes Specific Western Blot. It’s a bit difficult to get sometimes, but worth it. It’s a good idea to get the blood test to back up the doctor’s visual diagnosis. It will also be good to know which type of herpes you have: type 1 or 2. Many people think that only type 2 infects the genital area, but that’s not true. Type 1 is very prevelant there as well. Now, as to why you are getting this now…well, stress. It weakens your immune system and that allows the virus to hop on out of the nerve bundle it lives in at the base of your spine, head up the nerve to the skin, and create an outbeak. It could have been dormant in you for years. But it also could have been dormant in your husband for years. It’s possible that he passed it on to you while he was shedding asymptomatically – which means, being contagious without showing outward signs or symptoms. He might have had it for years and never known about it. Another thing to keep in mind, is that if he has ever had a cold sore, he could have passed type 1 on to your genitals through oral sex. Definitely check into those meds the doctor gave you. I believe that valtrex doesn’t have to be taken as many times a day as acyclovir. However, I’ve never taken the pills so I don’t know for sure. Remember that herpes is an opportunistic virus so you want to keep yourself as healthy as you can. Make sure you get enough rest, destress whenever possible, eat healthy foods, and exercise. Of course, that’s all easy for me to say…I’m not living through what you are living through. So, do your best. Herpes outbreaks tend to become less severe as time goes on. You may never have another outbreak. Or, you may have them once a month for awhile. Or, you may have them three or four times a year. You’ll just have to wait and see. People have different triggers. For some people, certain foods can trigger an outbreak. As far as having children goes, that’s no problem. However, Angela can give you better advice on that than I can. Since you are having your primary now, that’s a good thing, as opposed to having it during your pregnancy. I’ll leave the rest of the pregnancy talk to Angela. Good luck to you and I hope you check back with us frequently and let us know how you are doing. ar says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greetings: I’m a 37 y/o woman who was married approximately 10 days ago. I was sexually active before marriage with my husband, and other partners before him. I have been coping with HPV for nearly 3 years, but after a cone biopsy a year ago, things have been going pretty well with that. Otherwise, I am in good health. Starting last Sunday, I had flu like symptoms (huge swollen neck gland, fever, fatigue, back pain), and was given medicine for a UTI from Planned Parenthood. After things got worse in a day (major pain in the genital area), I went to an OB/GYN for a second opinion – he took one look at me and told me I had herpes! He sent me home with a prescription for Valtrex and acyclovar cream. I’m trying to figure out why I would have my first outbreak NOW. Stress is a major issue at the moment – we are New Orleans residents who have been displaced due to Katrina, then we had the wedding, etc etc etc. I don’t feel horribly stressed all the time – it’s more like a constant low-level stress, as opposed to acute short term stress. I’ve been much more anxiety ridden in the recent past than I feel I am now, but then again, the fallout from the hurricane is something we are living with and worrying about every day. My husband has been extremely loving through all this, thank goodness. But I’d like to get some info as to what would trigger an initial outbreak when I do not have a new partner (he and I have been together for 7 months). I have no reason to believe he has been unfaithful, I’m just guessing that this was dormant in my system for a while, and popped out at this inopportune moment. Any thoughts, guidance, symptom management ideas etc would be most appreciated. We want to get pregnant as soon as possible, but at this point, I sure don’t imagine having sex any time soon – yowch! Thanks – Mary